Legislature(2011 - 2012)BARNES 124

02/24/2011 03:00 PM House ENERGY


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03:06:49 PM Start
03:07:55 PM HB103
04:30:19 PM Adjourn
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-- Public Testimony --
         HB 103-POWER PROJECT; ALASKA ENERGY AUTHORITY                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:07:55 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR FOSTER  announced that the  only order of  business would                                                              
be HOUSE  BILL NO.  103, "An  Act relating  to the procurement  of                                                              
supplies, services,  professional  services, and construction  for                                                              
the  Alaska Energy  Authority;  establishing  the Alaska  Railbelt                                                              
energy fund  and relating to the  fund; relating to  and repealing                                                              
the Railbelt energy  fund; relating to the quorum of  the board of                                                              
the  Alaska  Energy  Authority;  relating  to the  powers  of  the                                                              
Alaska Energy  Authority regarding  employees and the  transfer of                                                              
certain  employees of  the  Alaska Industrial  Development  Export                                                              
Authority to  the Alaska Energy  Authority; relating  to acquiring                                                              
or constructing  certain projects by the Alaska  Energy Authority;                                                              
relating to  the definition of  'feasibility study' in  the Alaska                                                              
Energy Authority Act; and providing for an effective date."                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
3:08:42 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR FOSTER opened public testimony.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:10:13 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR   JOE  THOMAS,   Alaska  State   Legislature,  urged   the                                                              
committee to  imagine that the Susitna  dam had been  completed in                                                              
1991,  and for  the last  20 years  the Railbelt  had enjoyed  the                                                              
benefits of  relatively inexpensive,  reliable, clean,  and stable                                                              
power, freeing other  sources of energy for use in  other parts of                                                              
the state.   He surmised  making natural  gas available  for other                                                              
uses  would  have  attracted  industry  to the  area.    In  2008,                                                              
Senator  Thomas  added  $2.5 million  to  reexamine  the  project,                                                              
which  had  previously been  studied  for  decades, but  had  been                                                              
finally  "shelved"  in the  '80s.   This  money  was  used by  the                                                              
Alaska Energy  Authority (AEA) to  develop cost estimates  for the                                                              
dam  proposals, and  to create  the  Regional Integrated  Resource                                                              
Plan (RIRP).   Last  year, $10 million  was dedicated  to refining                                                              
studies on  three projects, the  Watana dam on the  Susitna River,                                                              
the  Chakachamna  Hydroelectric  Project,  and  the  Glacier  Fork                                                              
Hydroelectric  Project;  in addition,  the  governor has  included                                                              
$65.7  million  in  his  budget  this  year  for  project  design,                                                              
planning, permitting,  and licensing.  Senator Thomas  advised the                                                              
250-mile  radius  around  the  dam   is  known  as  the  "ring  of                                                              
influence" and  approaches the site  of the proposed  Donlin Creek                                                              
gold mine.   He observed that had  the dam been in  operation, the                                                              
gold mine project  would have progressed because  there would have                                                              
been access  to a power  supply, and easier  access to  gas, which                                                              
is  an  issue  for  many  developments   around  the  state.    In                                                              
addition,  power to Livengood  would have  created more  potential                                                              
for mine  development in that  area.  Also  within the  radius are                                                              
the   Yukon-Kuskokwim  Delta,   the   Richardson  Highway,   Delta                                                              
Junction, Glennallen, and many Interior villages.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
3:15:35 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR THOMAS  noted that hydroelectric (hydro)  projects provide                                                              
low-cost,  stable, clean,  and reliable  power, often  for one  to                                                              
two hundred  years as proven  by the Salmon  Creek and  Gold Creek                                                              
hydro  plants  in  Juneau.    In   addition,  hydro  power  brings                                                              
stability  to Alaska's  energy  and  economy, unlike  natural  gas                                                              
from Cook  Inlet with  its fluctuating costs.   Today,  the prices                                                              
of  natural gas  and  oil are  rising, "and  that's  what we  will                                                              
continue to  live with  without moving forward  with ...  at least                                                              
in  the  Railbelt area,  with  Watana."    He clarified  that  the                                                              
project should be  identified as "Watana" as there  have been many                                                              
versions of dams  on the Susitna River.  Senator  Thomas expressed                                                              
his preference for  the expandable Watana dam project,  saying the                                                              
redesign   by    MWH   with   roller-compacted    concrete   (RCC)                                                              
construction makes  the project very similar to  other dams around                                                              
the world.   He cautioned against  another delay - although  it is                                                              
a  big,   expensive  project   that  will   create  jobs   -  more                                                              
importantly, the  project will provide a stable  power system that                                                              
will  benefit the  Interior and  Southcentral.   The project  does                                                              
not cancel  out  the need for  a natural  gas pipeline  as gas  is                                                              
better for space  heat and for industrial use, even  with the loss                                                              
of  waste heat.   In  Fairbanks,  waste heat  from a  coal-burning                                                              
plant  is used, but  generally plants  are not  located in  towns.                                                              
Senator Thomas  advised that the  estimated costs for  the project                                                              
are coming down  with MWH's review of the construction  models; in                                                              
fact,  he expects the  price for  the expandable  Watana dam  will                                                              
fall by  another $600-$700  million.   He concluded  that  most of                                                              
the  questions   have  been  answered,  and  the   Federal  Energy                                                              
Regulatory  Commission  (FERC)  process  will  require  many  more                                                              
answers.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:21:20 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE PETERSEN  asked whether  there was a  cost estimate                                                              
for building  several hundred miles  of transmission lines  to the                                                              
Kuskokwim area.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR THOMAS  relayed the estimates  from the Donlin  Creek mine                                                              
project  were approximately  $800 million  for a  power line  from                                                              
south of  Nenana to  Donlin Creek.   The  upgrade to the  intertie                                                              
was  estimated at  $140-$150  million,  for a  total  of about  $1                                                              
billion.   The need for  infrastructure creates opportunities  for                                                              
public  private   partnerships,  and  he  assured   the  committee                                                              
companies will  "step up."   Although  this estimate may  decrease                                                              
due  to the  situation  with  natural  gas, he  cautioned  against                                                              
importing gas into the state.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:22:54 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE TUCK  asked whether the  failure of HB 103  to pass                                                              
the legislature  would be a hindrance  to the construction  of the                                                              
Susitna dam.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  THOMAS opined  an agency  such as  the Alaska  Industrial                                                              
Development  &  Export  Authority  (AIDEA)  or AEA  is  needed  to                                                              
oversee  this type  of project and  to put  together the  process;                                                              
for  example, the  U.S.  Department  of Energy,  Bonneville  Power                                                              
Administration (BPA)  is a good  model to follow, and  the Greater                                                              
Railbelt Energy  and Transmission  Corporation (GRETC)  is another                                                              
example of  how to manage power  consumption.  In fact,  GRETC now                                                              
proposes the  participation of five  utilities with  the potential                                                              
for adding  a sixth "user  of the resource."   It is  necessary to                                                              
firmly involve  the energy authority  and an entity like  AIDEA to                                                              
manage and help move the projects along.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:24:50 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  PETERSEN  recalled  the  cost  of  electricity  is                                                              
projected  to be about  20 cents  per kilowatt  hour.   He pointed                                                              
out this  is a  significant increase  over the  present cost,  and                                                              
asked whether  the state will have  to subsidize the project  to a                                                              
large  degree  in  order  for  the  price  of  electricity  to  be                                                              
competitive.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:25:39 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  THOMAS heard  estimates in  the range  of 6-10 cents  per                                                              
kilowatt  hour,  depending on  the  final  contract cost  and  the                                                              
state's  willingness  to  "buy-down  the  financing".    If  other                                                              
entities are  involved, the potential  investment by the  state is                                                              
25  percent  of   a  $4  billion  price  tag,  so   if  the  state                                                              
contributes $1  billion and  $3 billion is  financed, the  cost is                                                              
reduced.   Although 8-10 cents  per kilowatt hour  for electricity                                                              
may not be  appealing to consumers  at this time, he  reminded the                                                              
committee that this  price may be level for one  hundred years due                                                              
to  the low  cost  of maintenance  on  a hydro  power  plant.   An                                                              
additional benefit,  particularly to  Anchorage, is  the reduction                                                              
of demand  for Cook  Inlet natural  gas.  Furthermore,  Fairbanks,                                                              
along with  the rest of  the state, is  being limited by  the lack                                                              
of  reasonably  priced  power for  the  production  of  industrial                                                              
goods.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:28:04 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  PRUITT  reiterated  the   potential  for  expanding  the                                                              
transmission  of  electricity down  the  Richardson  Highway.   He                                                              
asked  for the  percentage  of Alaskans  that  could benefit  from                                                              
that expansion.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  THOMAS responded  that about  75 percent  of the  state's                                                              
population, with  the exception  of Southeast and  Western Alaska,                                                              
could   benefit;  however,   he  stressed   that  an   appropriate                                                              
proportion of  money will also need  to be allocated  for projects                                                              
to benefit  the remaining  25 percent of  the population,  such as                                                              
funding for the expansion of transmission lines in Southeast.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:30:34 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
GENE  THERRIAULT,  Vice  President   of  Resource,  Golden  Valley                                                              
Electrical  Association (GVEA),  expressed GVEA's  support of  the                                                              
passage  of HB  103  to modify  the  structure of  AEA  so it  may                                                              
better move  forward with energy  projects for the benefit  of all                                                              
Alaskans.   Passage  of  the bill  will enable  AEA  to work  with                                                              
utilities  in a  manner  similar  to that  which  resulted in  the                                                              
completion of  the successful  Bradley Lake Hydroelectric  Project                                                              
(Bradley  Lake Hydro)  and  Railbelt  interties.   Mr.  Therriault                                                              
pointed out  that a large  hydro project is  too large for  any of                                                              
the   Railbelt    utilities   to   facilitate    individually   or                                                              
collectively;  however, the  project can  be constructed  with the                                                              
support of  the state.  Passage  of the bill is an  important step                                                              
to achieve  the goal of providing  affordable and stable  power in                                                              
the future.   He pointed out that the administration  designed the                                                              
bill  to reconstruct  AEA not  just  for the  Susitna River  hydro                                                              
project, but  to be used in  the future for power  projects across                                                              
the  state.   His company  has reviewed  HB 103  and supports  the                                                              
following:    restoration of  AEA's  ability  to bond  for  energy                                                              
projects; creation  of the Alaska  Railbelt energy fund, if  it is                                                              
restructured in a  manner identical to the Southeast  Energy Fund;                                                              
language  that allows  AEA to  establish subsidiary  corporations;                                                              
language  that   allows  projects   constructed  by  AEA   or  its                                                              
subsidiaries  to be  exempt from  RCA rate  regulation.   Although                                                              
GVEA was  concerned about the  wording of  section 8 of  the bill,                                                              
its  concern  is  partially   mitigated  by  AS  44.83.396,  which                                                              
requires  AEA  to  enter  into   contracts  with  a  utility  that                                                              
purchases  power  from  the  project, for  the  operation  of  the                                                              
project,  and he  asked for  assurance  that this  section of  law                                                              
will  apply  to  AEA  subsidiary  corporations.    Mr.  Therriault                                                              
explained it  is important to GVEA  that AEA does not  operate the                                                              
project itself.   In conclusion, he pointed out  that without this                                                              
legislation, AEA  will not be able  to own the Watana  dam project                                                              
and thus cannot begin the application process with FERC.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:36:53 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MIKE  CRAFT,  President,  Delta  Wind  Farm,  Inc.,  informed  the                                                              
committee  he is the  only wind  farmer on  the Railbelt  grid and                                                              
has  been  studying  this  issue for  three  and  one-half  years.                                                              
Before he  began his  wind farm,  he was a  land developer  and he                                                              
realized  an energy  gap  was approaching  along  with the  rising                                                              
cost of  power.   He observed that  the inflation  of the  cost of                                                              
fossil  fuel  is  choking  Fairbanks because  the  city  makes  60                                                              
percent  of its  electricity from  diesel fuel,  and he  cautioned                                                              
against  ignoring   the  impending  increases  in   the  price  of                                                              
electricity.   In  fact,  he opined,  "I  don't  think we're  ever                                                              
going  to find  anything that's  going to  deliver cheaper  energy                                                              
than  what we  currently  pay."   Mr. Craft  began  his wind  farm                                                              
business   because  wind   energy  presents   an  opportunity   to                                                              
stabilize  the  electric rate.    He  recalled hearing  about  the                                                              
Susitna dam  in 1978, and noted  that if it had been  built, there                                                              
would be diversified  industry and jobs in Alaska.   The dam would                                                              
have   provided  opportunities   for  the   mining  and   smelting                                                              
industries, and  for the production  of value-added products.   At                                                              
that time, the cost  of electricity from the dam  was projected to                                                              
be 4.5 cents  per kilowatt hour.   Mr. Craft restated  his concern                                                              
that  there will  be a  gap in  the  supply of  energy before  the                                                              
natural gas  pipeline and the dam  can be built.  Wind  energy can                                                              
fill  the  gap, but  it  is  not  the solution  to  the  impending                                                              
shortage  of energy.   Mr.  Craft  indicated his  support for  the                                                              
project.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:41:06 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  PETERSEN  stated  that wind  farms  have  problems                                                              
with  integration into  the electric  grid, but  hydro systems  do                                                              
not.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. CRAFT  explained  that "the  shorter the  head, the easier  to                                                              
integrate."    For example,  a  project  with  a 20-mile  pipe  is                                                              
harder to regulate  with wind, but a dam has a  short head thus it                                                              
is  easy to  regulate power.   In  fact, there  could be  multiple                                                              
wind  farms located  in different  wind regimes  for balance,  and                                                              
integration would  not be a  problem because today's  turbines are                                                              
"completely controllable,"  and the load balance  is controlled by                                                              
curtailing  the output of  the turbines.   Different "ramp  rates"                                                              
are also  not a problem, and  Mr. Craft explained  how integration                                                              
is  handled between  Eagle  Creek, Delta  Junction,  and the  wind                                                              
farm.   He restated the  importance of  displacing the use  of oil                                                              
generation  in Fairbanks  due  to  the pollution  of  the air  and                                                              
ground water  caused by  ash and emissions.   Mr. Craft  concluded                                                              
that  integration  is  not  a technical  issue,  but  a  political                                                              
issue.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:44:32 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  PRUITT asked  whether  the availability  of hydro  power                                                              
would  discourage subsequent  individuals from  investing in  wind                                                              
power to add to the grid.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. CRAFT indicated  no.  As a matter of fact,  the estimated cost                                                              
of  20 cents  per kilowatt  hour is  an opportunity  for wind,  as                                                              
wind farms  built today would have  their capital cost  paid, thus                                                              
would be in a  position to compete with the hydro  project when it                                                              
is complete.   Even now, there is  room for 200 megawatts  of wind                                                              
power  on the  Railbelt  grid, especially  with  an intertie  from                                                              
Glennallen  to  Delta  Junction.   Wind  power  can  compete  with                                                              
hydrocarbons and  hydroelectric projects.  However,  wind power is                                                              
variable  and  cannot   provide  100  percent  of   "firm  power,"                                                              
although  periods of  wind power  would allow  the dam to  reserve                                                              
water capacity.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
3:47:10 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHARLES   DUNCAN  stated   he  has  been   writing  an   economics                                                              
newsletter for 27  years and provided copies of  the current issue                                                              
for the committee.   He expressed  his support for HB  103 and its                                                              
bonding  feature.    Mr.  Duncan's   current  newsletter  includes                                                              
articles   on   employment   and   on   strategies   for   funding                                                              
infrastructure, such  as bonding.  He gave a short  history on the                                                              
bonding of  state and  federal projects in  the 1800s,  and opined                                                              
the situation then  was similar to what Alaska faces  now, in that                                                              
a  collapse  of  the national  economy  is  occurring  during  the                                                              
construction  of  the  Susitna  project.    He  said  his  article                                                              
explains  how   to  avoid  "debt  pyramiding"   while  encouraging                                                              
industrial development.   The state  should pay cash  for one-half                                                              
of the first stage  for the Watana dam and bond  for the rest, and                                                              
then  leverage a  small  percentage of  state  funds with  federal                                                              
money for  the completion of the  Watana dam and the  Devil Canyon                                                              
dam.   This plan would  guarantee the success  of a  new strategic                                                              
and construction materials industry.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
3:51:11 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  FOSTER  asked  whether  Mr. Duncan  has  approached  the                                                              
administration or AEA.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR.  DUNCAN indicated  many people  are aware  of his  newsletter.                                                              
In further  response to Co-Chair  Foster, he said he  has received                                                              
comments  that the  Bradley Lake  Hydro method  of financing  "was                                                              
successful before, we can do it again."                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:52:37 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ERIC YOULD, Consultant,  Wood Canyon Group, Inc., stated  he is an                                                              
independent  consultant and cited  his 35  years of experience  in                                                              
the energy  business,  primarily in  the area  of hydropower.   He                                                              
was the  program manager/director  for the  Susitna hydro  project                                                              
in  the  '70s  and  '80s, working  for  the  U.S.  Army  Corps  of                                                              
Engineers  (USACE) and  the  Alaska Power  Authority  (APA).   Mr.                                                              
Yould   offered   the  benefit   of   his  experience   with   the                                                              
implementation of  legislation relating to operating  an authority                                                              
similar to what  is now the AEA.   He provided a short  history of                                                              
the  Alaska  Power  Authority  (APA),   which  was  created  as  a                                                              
mechanism to develop  the Susitna project in a  joint venture with                                                              
USACE.   The legislation authorizing  the project passed  in 1976,                                                              
and in  1989, the legislature  expanded the  authority of  APA and                                                              
renamed it  AEA.  In  1993, the legislature  stripped AEA  of much                                                              
of its powers  and authority, thus  it is unknown whether  AEA can                                                              
develop  the  Susitna project,  or  any  major project,  with  its                                                              
present statutes.   Mr. Yould urged the passage of  HB 103 and the                                                              
reconstitution  of all  of the  previous  powers of  APA and  AEA.                                                              
During  his  tenure  with  APA,   the  power  authority  developed                                                              
Bradley Lake Hydro,  the Anchorage-Fairbanks Intertie,  the Terror                                                              
Lake  Hydroelectric  Project,  Swan  Lake  Hydroelectric  Project,                                                              
Tyee Lake Hydroelectric  Project, smaller projects,  and moved the                                                              
Susitna project  to FERC  licensing.  He  restated his  support HB
103 and  urged that the AEA  board of directors  become autonomous                                                              
from the  board of  AIDEA because AIDEA  is essentially  a banking                                                              
institution,  while AEA  is  an entity  that  will study,  permit,                                                              
design, construct,  operate, own,  and market  energy.   Mr. Yould                                                              
pointed  out   that  there  is   no  provision  in   the  proposed                                                              
legislation for  the right of  eminent domain, and  he recommended                                                              
adding this  element to the  legislation.  Regarding  the proposed                                                              
legislation   to  strip   the  authority   to  allow   independent                                                              
procurement by  AEA, he stressed  that the authority to  develop a                                                              
procurement plan  to procure contracts  for the implementation  of                                                              
each individual project is required.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
3:59:17 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  PRUITT asked for  other powers  of authority  previously                                                              
held by APA that are not authorized by the proposed legislation.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR.  YOULD said  he was  unsure,  as statutes  from 1977-1992  are                                                              
unavailable;  however,  what  is  legislated today  for  AEA  will                                                              
change  in  response  to  what  is  needed.    Although  with  the                                                              
addition  of  an   independent  board  and  eminent   domain,  the                                                              
proposed legislation  is close to  the original statutes,  APA was                                                              
also guided  by specific economic  criteria that required  the use                                                              
of standard analysis for each project.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
4:03:26 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  TUCK referred to  proposed legislation  that would                                                              
establish an independent  board of directors for  AIDEA, and allow                                                              
it to  have and own subsidiaries.   Under these  circumstances, he                                                              
asked  about the  idea  of establishing  AEA  as  a subsidiary  of                                                              
AIDEA.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. YOULD  opined that  members  of the AIDEA  board of  directors                                                              
were chosen for  their expertise in the banking  industry, and not                                                              
for  their experience  in  energy, construction,  procurement,  or                                                              
project development;  in fact,  it is  backwards for  AEA to  be a                                                              
subsidiary  of  AIDEA,  which  has  a  board  without  a  specific                                                              
interest in energy development.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
4:05:05 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MARILYN  LELAND,  Executive  Director,  Alaska  Power  Association                                                              
(Association),  informed   the  committee  that  members   of  the                                                              
Association are  electric utilities around the state  that provide                                                              
power  to over  600,000 Alaskans.   She  advised that  Association                                                              
members  believe  that large  hydro  is  not  the only  answer  to                                                              
Alaska's energy  problems.   In addition,  members believe  that a                                                              
strong partnership  between the  electric utilities and  the state                                                              
is needed.   Referring to the  state goal of 50  percent renewable                                                              
sources of  electric energy by 2025,  she noted that the  only way                                                              
to meet  this goal is  by the construction  of a major  hydropower                                                              
project for  the Railbelt,  and other  large generation  projects.                                                              
The cost of these  projects is beyond the financial  capability of                                                              
any of  the individual electric  utilities, thus the  state should                                                              
be  a  partner  in  the  funding  and  construction  of  any  such                                                              
project.   Furthermore,  although  AEA is  the  logical entity  to                                                              
build these  projects, it  is presently  limited by its  statutory                                                              
authority.      Ms.  Leland   acknowledged   that   the   proposed                                                              
legislation is  focused on  the Watana dam  on the Susitna  River;                                                              
however,  the  bill  will  empower  AEA  to  oversee  and  develop                                                              
projects  all over  the state  including  interties, hydro,  wind,                                                              
and  geothermal.   She  urged attention  to  the Susitna  project,                                                              
pointing  out it  is  the long-term  solution  to the  approaching                                                              
shortage of  natural gas.   The Association supports  expansion of                                                              
statutory powers  that would allow  AEA to acquire,  construct, or                                                              
own  any  interest  in  an  electric  project,  or  any  right  to                                                              
capacity  of  an  electric  project,  or  to  perform  feasibility                                                              
studies,  design  and engineering  with  respect  to power.    Ms.                                                              
Leland assured  the committee  the utilities  and their  consumers                                                              
want  to  be active  members  of  the legislative  process.    She                                                              
concluded,  saying the  Association strongly  urges the  expansion                                                              
of  authority  for  AEA,  as  AEA  is  in  the  best  position  to                                                              
facilitate working to solutions.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
4:08:48 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
RICH WILSON,  Spokesperson, Alaska  Ratepayers, Inc.,  said Alaska                                                              
Ratepayers is an  independent, non-partisan group  of experienced,                                                              
long-time residents  that was formed three years  ago from concern                                                              
about the rising  cost of electric rates.  The  group meets weekly                                                              
to  study   its  research  and   to  consider  views   from  every                                                              
perspective,  and he  reported  its  finding:   HB  103 will  fall                                                              
short  of meeting  the  goal of  ratepayers  which is  affordable,                                                              
predicable,  electricity  for the  cost of  6  cents per  kilowatt                                                              
hour.   Furthermore,  Alaska  Ratepayers  recognizes that  smaller                                                              
projects statewide  are also needed, and a separate  Susitna power                                                              
entity  is  required  to  accomplish   the  goal  of  the  Susitna                                                              
project.    He   outlined  a  separate  bill  offered   by  Alaska                                                              
Ratepayers  that  supports  the  50  percent  renewable  goal  and                                                              
contains  the following:   authority  to build  a major  statewide                                                              
project  that would  have a board  with fixed  terms and  project-                                                              
appropriate  qualifications, staff,  and  project development  and                                                              
financing  powers; the  authority would  have the  ability to  pay                                                              
competitive compensation  for its  team; the authority  would have                                                              
the  ability to  efficiently  procure the  appropriate  resources.                                                              
Mr.  Wilson  stated Alaska  Ratepayers'  research  concludes  that                                                              
this further proposed  legislative authority is necessary  for the                                                              
board  of  the   "Susitna  Power  Authority"  to   accomplish  the                                                              
following:    focus  effort and  avoid  distractions;  narrow  the                                                              
mission  of delivering  electricity  in an  affordable and  timely                                                              
manner; clarify  and simplify  management, financial,  and bonding                                                              
responsibilities;    enable   timely   completion    by   avoiding                                                              
unnecessary  delays;  deliver  affordable  energy  to  ratepayers;                                                              
comply with  large hydro industry  best practices standards.   Mr.                                                              
Wilson urged  the committee  to visit  other large hydro  projects                                                              
and  consult with  experts  such as  BC  Hydro, British  Columbia,                                                              
Canada, and  the New  York Power  Authority (NYPA), White  Plains,                                                              
New York.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
4:14:20 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. WILSON continued,  saying Alaska Ratepayers is  also concerned                                                              
with the  aspect of  transmission.   The Susitna project  properly                                                              
includes power generation  and the transmission necessary  to link                                                              
the  dam  with the  intertie.    However,  separate from  the  new                                                              
project,  improvements to  the transmission  system are needed  in                                                              
the  near-term.    Members of  Alaska  Ratepayers  have  long-term                                                              
experience   in   Alaska   in  public   policy   issues,   energy,                                                              
engineering,  law,  and  project   development,  and  they  gather                                                              
research in  order to  present the  ratepayers' perspective  in an                                                              
intelligent and thorough  manner.  Mr. Wilson  offered the group's                                                              
assistance to the committee.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
4:16:13 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
FRANK MIELKE,  Vice President, Alaska  Ratepayers, added  that the                                                              
single-project-entity  approach  has  been  used  historically  by                                                              
organizations  involved  with projects  costing  over $1  billion,                                                              
such  as the  Trans-Alaska Pipeline  System  (TAPS), the  National                                                              
Aeronautics  and Space  Administration (NASA),  and the  Manhattan                                                              
Project.   After construction of  the project, another  entity may                                                              
take over operations.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
4:17:52 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE TUCK  asked Mr. Mielke whether  the single-project-                                                              
entity group he is referring to is AEA.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR.  MIELKE  explained  his  organization   is  referring  to  the                                                              
Susitna project.   In the future, other large projects  may not be                                                              
big enough  to support  their own office,  but could  benefit from                                                              
the "subsidiary  approach."   When  a project  is bigger than  the                                                              
agency itself, a single-purpose agency needs to be created.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
4:19:02 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  FOSTER  asked Mr.  Mielke  to  address how  to  maintain                                                              
accountability over a separate entity.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. MIELKE  advised  that with this  approach  there is one  board                                                              
with  technical   expertise  responsible  for   making  decisions,                                                              
unlike  an agency that  must go  through certain  other levels  of                                                              
government to get things done.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
4:21:25 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JERRY MCCUTCHEON  informed the committee  he proposed  the Susitna                                                              
project  many years  ago and after  that project  was shelved,  he                                                              
suggested the  Bradley Lake  Hydro project.   Mr. McCutcheon  said                                                              
Susitna is  a worthy project  that can stand  on its own,  but not                                                              
with the current  proposal.  He opined Bradley Lake  Hydro was not                                                              
built as  it should have  been thus cannot  produce 40  percent of                                                              
its installed  capacity, and has  faulty power lines.   He advised                                                              
this  project is  costly  and will  suffer  delays.   In order  to                                                              
avoid reengineering  from scratch, the project should  be returned                                                              
to USACE.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
4:25:35 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
BOB PICKETT,  Commissioner/Chair, Regulatory Commission  of Alaska                                                              
(RCA), offered to answer questions.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
4:25:59 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  TUCK recalled  testimony that  a project  owned by                                                              
AEA would need  to be exempt from  RCA regulations.  He  asked for                                                              
RCA's  position on  whether the  public  and consumers'  interests                                                              
will be taken care of in that circumstance.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  PICKETT said  RCA  has not  taken  a formal  position,  which                                                              
would  only  happen  at  a  public   meeting.    He  reminded  the                                                              
committee  that  last  year,  during  discussion  of  the  Greater                                                              
Railbelt  Energy  and  Transmission   Corporation  (GRETC)  issue,                                                              
there  was  a  series  of  public  meetings  and  RCA  had  strong                                                              
reservations  about  the  creation of  a  privately-owned  entity,                                                              
instead of  a state-owned  entity.  Mr.  Pickett advised  that the                                                              
purpose  of regulation  is to  ensure  balance in  the absence  of                                                              
competition.   He opined the Bradley  Lake Hydro model  has worked                                                              
well;  in fact, its  electricity  is the least  expensive  for the                                                              
utilities in the Railbelt area.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
4:27:31 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  TUCK  noted  that  HB 103  would  apply  to  other                                                              
projects in the  state, some of which may be developed  by limited                                                              
liability  companies  of which  AEA  has  partial ownership.    He                                                              
asked  whether RCA  would have  authority over  projects of  which                                                              
AEA owns  just a fraction, and  which are mostly owned  by private                                                              
interests.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. PICKETT  deferred  to RCA's  legal counsel  as this issue  has                                                              
also arisen in relation to AEA's Renewable Energy Fund.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
4:28:44 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  PETERSEN  surmised  that  if a  project  like  the                                                              
Watana  dam  goes   forward,  power  sales  agreements   with  the                                                              
utilities would fall under RCA jurisdiction.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  PICKETT said  that is  correct  in the  case of  economically                                                              
regulated  utilities.     He  clarified   that  of   125  electric                                                              
utilities in the state, 37 are economically regulated.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
4:29:32 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR FOSTER stated public testimony on HB 103 remains open.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
[HB 103 was heard and held.]                                                                                                    

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
Testimony by Richard Wilson, Alaska Ratepayers, 24 February 2011.pdf HENE 2/24/2011 3:00:00 PM
Public Testimony, 24 February 2011
Susitna Power Authority draft bill by Alaska Ratepayers, 23 February 2011.pdf HENE 2/24/2011 3:00:00 PM
Public Testimony, 24 February 2011